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Yeah, but isn't isn't the food amazing and everybody there is always super nice? There's always babies sleeping. I if Jerry Cushner could just have a visible cold sore till the day he dies, that would be more than enough. And finally I said, you know, you seem really angry right now. You're just another grayscale elephant to me. Yeah, no, d they are not a fan of that. But but isn't that a lot like what happened in Saudi Arabia? I guess I can say it right. I've covered up the camera. Uh y no, you're right, because there's a siren. You gotta say, okay, on three, I'm gonna give you the shot. something was really funny and it was like I think you mean peak and people get so fucking mad at this bot that just corrected them and and like I understand that I I understand that completely And that's the one most of us have seen.

stuff but I was like, there's no way this thing is as effective as it's pitched as being, where all three legs of the stool are intact. For now. This week's challenge play with your food. Your shrink now. I mean I'll talk about whatever you want. for example, just one example, will you might be uh sort of triggered by fear, but that can query quickly convert to uh to anger. And a little lonesome. And go like, ah shit, man, I got a cold or I got the flu. It's one thing to have the effects of not enough sleep, and quite another thing to then have your day kind of scotched by committing to the idea of how shitty you feel about how little sleep you got. It's a nice place. uh this means that people do not have generalized anxiety or that it's not a s a completely separate thing.

here but like it's not important but like I was saying like you know talking about the thing and I I I I do a funny thing where like I I don't want to hold anybody's dick of their life. I can't believe you don't want them to go to jail. Outside my particular journey, but hey, thank you for that note. trying to make Mastodon a little twittery now. And like just really seriously guys, if if this is your first time contacting me and you're being a an asshole, is that has that been working great for you? But uh sometimes helps though to remember that that's that's all on them and nothing on you. Weirdly, that's something that I'm not insecure about, probably because of the raised as a woman thing.

stuff wrong. How did that line become was that was a was that a max line or a me line? Was hadn't that become the catchphrase for a little while on here? Rob Bryden and um Steve Coogan's series called The Trip. But there's another one that's newer where they do Michael Cain, and that's one where they do Michael Cain again as as um what's the butler's name? Uh some days I wake up at 11. And when I wake up in the morning, you know, for the longest time, you know, do do do do do, I woke up this morning and the first thing I would do is fucking look at my sleep tracking. I don't know if that's a bit. thing than everybody else. of the galaxy. about how right he is about everything. Except for the bad ideas, which were somebody else's idea, and that's because they undermined him.

Different and if I don't go fix this like our earth is going to explode. I don't know who exactly this guy's supposed to be, but they it's kind of like it's that's a character actor from that mo he was in that character actor movie too. But remember him, he's the gay guy with the with the open shirt and like he uh he has at his like ranch, he brings out all the democratic people and he's gonna like all the areas of the place are sponsored by companies. the last two sentences that he said verbatim and he will love you. uh oh we go into the wolf in it and and and how it john drivers Sean crazy he doesn't like in it and he's trying to figure out what the American like I was like, I would try and ask him about anything or dude.

Jazz break can I do some follow up? Yes, I am in the dock, yes. outside and in pr in particular like in daylight in the sun and it was a new thing to me and I think that was a new thing to you. Um I'm using Android this month. Sleep plus plus, which can be super helpful for for some people, but looking at how many hours I slept was not helping me. Which is something I actually can control. Have a UK excrete, cut that out. Th there are actresses who keep getting screwed where they get replaced by Marnie Nixon because she's a better you know what? And then what? Like your default is layers? um to the best of our knowledge and it's about body image and they have this woman on who and she's got a lot to sell but like she's a body neutrality person And basically Oh I love yes.

Like what yeah, how about this? Second step in everything is almost always infrastructure. Oughtn't it maybe be something where you're more open to a fresh start and a modest change than you are to a complete revolution of how you run your life 24 sevs forever? And like that's five minutes more than you've walked in the last six years. Oh never mind. But um no, that that that's one of the classic episodes. Syracusa. Or didn't understand what next really meant. This is good. Yeah. There's not rocket ships. Did it? And I'm like, that's wait, what? But I I He's not a careful thinker. Where if you actually thought about this, like exactly a manic level of commitment for some stupid shit. her a lot.

PlayStation, it's also available on Steam and other places, whatever Steam is. Wanna hear it again? Yeah. of it. I don't know. chicken place because they have Diet Dr. We go there for their breakfast bit. Realize that not only should I not beat myself up for not being able to relax, like these uh our sort of tealo teleological, epistemological, uh you have all these arguments about things. I have no problems with sleep. Isn't it odd that we could be people who graduated from college who know something we're supposed to be doing and yet we still haven't done it? Oh, all the time. Gonna ash your balls at the little ones. Hello, Mr. Yeah. I believe that it's one thing to feel bad and it's another thing to feel bad about feeling bad.

And that kind of bums me out. You're gonna be bummed. is that we go to war with sleep and we get mad at ourselves and we yell at ourselves and we do all these assurances about how we're going to be a good boy and it's like January 1st every night. fight the Daleks in the morning. Wait, three at four Oh, oh, I see. Yeah, yeah. dig into oh here we go here we go shit oh oh my watch too important national oh oh oh okay that that was that was early by my clock Uh assume that you're correct in uh uh expecting it, yes, um all always and forever, but uh also that it would be at uh 120 what a role anger has in my own life. Not because I hate dicks, but because I hate holy because I hate being expected to hold them.

And if you're with me on my journey over on that website or any other website, I am not gonna hold your dick. You know, I've said for a long time that I don't I I don't wish ill on other people, thank God. This was in one way the Twitter problem was like you're just out there doing searches and finding people you can yell at. know trying to get a date or whatever but but it is everybody is on their own journey i'm not here to tell you how to use it but like don't tell me how to use it either Stupid can't stick to me. I know, but I'll make stick sleep. Um, pen pen pe penny farthing, offered penny farthing. Um yeah, but you know the the sleep thing, I mean, and again, you know, I think a lot so much of the stuff in life goes in cycles and see also have I really fixed the problem, but see also also, hey, we're all just trying to get by day-to-day Up because that's the closest thing to a video game that I had.

Heart rate variability, I don't exactly understand it, but I know it's good. Hi, it's Tam. Oh, there was like a t it became Tim Cook and then Bill Clinton and then uh trying to reference the South Park a bit and then uh the trade was so far uh This is my my my daughter tracksuit. So like when we fall all over cells to say like, oh well it's it's nice that Bill Barr now has such a low opinion of Donald Trump. drama, but not even in the Twitter sense. I i i it's both though, which is even more terrifying because it's like, okay, I'm just this little stinker. His company is the one they are the only one putting people in in space, but the other thing that was really upsettingly familiar in this is how often Musk says someone t says to someone, do it this way, and then that person is like, okay, and then does it how they think it should have been done, and then yep, he takes the idea.

decide who gets his blessing and money. w was very wrong on something, what we would do is put his idea and our ideas into chat GPT and say, Can you combine these in a way that it's exactly Yeah. But because uh well, because that's just a task that you do. You can't be anywhere. So you you go. cognate would be. Yeah. My curly's a girl more like my girly. And you end up saying, have you ever noticed how often it feels like English people say something that really is a statement, but they they they pose it as a question? i it's weird. Yeah, you you kind of do need to I don't know wiggle wiggle your plug around a little bit sometimes. I don't like being places where I can't wear layers. Oh, you know it?

Uh two, I don't want to be able to see what I weigh, but I want it to be captured. scale or whatever and just have tape d o over it and which seems a little seems a little manic, but like I think it's actually a pretty good idea. It's not it's not a chicken bummer. Do you well I think it's a I mean I feel like it's a little early to like you know do you feel different? j gone outside for at least a half hour a day, which I'm going to try to do m you know, I'm gonna what's you say? Again, back when I used to be Merlin Mann, I had a series on my website, um, my web blog or blog, um that was meant to act as a potential Yeah, that's uh kind of a chore. She was making a hat and that kind of thing.

saying. one. This does matter in the story of this man. Was that it? Four uh three of five now? It's not just that. It's really one of the best, not best episodes of a hypercritical, one of the best podcast episodes I've ever heard. Drop this show. Even me a day later, I'd be like ho ho You don't need a coach, you need a therapist. Privacy. the the vibe of oh it's it's cheap, fast and oh well I mean you just basically move fast break a lot of privacy. But like having every single like yes camera, yes microphone, yes location, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yep, yep. done that and I'm like oh but I can still I have played it a little so I can talk about it. Called Noir. Yeah. You you must know the TikTok memes though more than me.

It is a Mac game, but it was not kind to my MacBook Air. Greetings I give uh uh gauges my level of excitement, possibly. Not so much anymore. Take a sip of my uh uh oh my say to you, did you do you do this for a living? Yes, yes. for a living and then I I I I think you should probably respond with something like a clever remark like something like uh uh uh I it's a I don't know if it's a living Well, I mean, that does as it has uh my my single greatest piece of advice that you choose to ignore, it's saying it is easy, doing it is difficult. No, it's the it's the tornado siren and then if you've opted in to s like certain phone plans will make beep beep beeps, but I know this is different. because that's all I have.

Uh and it's I've cobbled this together. off. practical conceivable way, which is to start periodically checking in and noticing how you feel about how you feel. or or whatever. And it starts becoming it starts to feel slightly optional. I had in the it's a little bit scary how few, I guess, professional people Oh yeah, I'm I'm at 118 Central Time. concerned th about this test. Uh that's see, I thought that I was uh anxious about getting a shot. Comparison is the death of joy, and explanations are the death of humor. Don't tell me how to use things, you know? But I I will confess to something here that I don't think will change any any time soon is that I'm one of those many Americans who who just l don't like being told what to do by people they don't know.

You know, I I'm not talking about the the national emergency task telling me to have a loud phone. hilarious bot that made people so fucking angry. Like, but that dude, nobody was actually talking to you. Saying the word P-E-A-K when they really meant the word P-E-E-K. I don't know. You know? show up and tell you, you know, what you're doing wrong. angry both online in and in real life which isn't wholesome at all uh hallucinatory hallucinatory characters put upon me. Or 14 or 15. I don't wake up in the morning and just look at it. Yeah. uh the birthday boy on slack, right? Uh um, that's the longest friend sh show. I bet he does not feel like his best. Well, I mean no, I'm not just saying that but but uh also not on the show, yeah.

really know that this is I guess the one thing quote learned from the biography is how much uh Elon Musk likes to make Yeah. Oh, I probably Oh no, I can say this now, because I'm not doing freelance. to do when you work with most men who are very, very confident. Um wait, what were we talking about? a survival strategy and a lot. And um and then somebody like then, you know, will say like but um but then that was something that also became a big deal in Ireland. about four topics that they've discovered over the last week. For the title of the show so far is uh what I said after that, which was it it's like women in meetings in America. I uh brought you a topic uh last week, uh, which is that, hey, did you know that your Apple Watch can do its best to try and detect how much time you spend Listen to a podcast or just maybe go around.

I uh raised thirty three hundred dollars for St. go outside. every two weeks because I would look at the thing. That uh that was an uh that's been a very long time. You know, I'm gonna do it. Uh yeah, because Walter Isaacson is a shitty writer. the official biography. not like fact checking like a fair number of things? I mean, that's the num that's the number of interviews you might get with a sweaty tech CEO for like a 4,000-word piece in Inc. L BJ. But uh uh when I when I say uh Walter Isaacson isn't a good writer, you're you're right. Uh that that's what it is. It I don't know, I mean it makes me sad because that is something that someone like me genuinely would. Uh oh, interesting. That's a better word for it.

I was oh my god, I was literally gaps. five and uh the uh it's on that I d I do have Steam which is a platform but like just because it's on Steam is a platform that doesn't mean it's gonna run everywhere, right? think that she is smart like Billie Eilish, smart enough to know that this is what sells and this is what will give her agency in the future. But oh you did that. Oh, I I I I think I may have at least temporarily operationalized the idea of not feeling bad about sleep. As well as I should. Everything in your house would just be fucking blowing up in ten minutes. The people need to learn. Thank you. And that's worth noticing and interrogating and beginning to gently manage, in my opinion.

Once you start realizing that that feeling about the feeling is very often the becomes the primary feeling. Central time to twenty eastern, but that's like when you pull a tooth. the like that kind of stuff. I was not telling, just to be clear here, I was not speaking to that person. Offer a thought that might make someone else a better person. people just trying to make uh masted on Twitter right now because I'm I'm getting a uh more little what Anyways, so I'm but I understand. You know what I'm saying? I have I have a copy bar anecdote, but I don't want to say it on Maine. And Ralph Redon goes, how many Batmans has he buried? It's pr it's a pr it's pro it's pro pro a fifteen pro probe pro that is funnier.

Elon Musk believes in his heart that he, I think he really actually does believe in his heart that he knows more about almost everything. Uh yeah. So let's not let's not get too excited about how great all these people are. And she discovers it works. Forget it. And um to cut a long story short, like just talking about, you know, different like like what are standards for pronunciation. that's very real about not trying to act fancier than you are. Right? Like uh last m month or a couple months ago, like looking at the readiness score in the If you're trying to eat better and got rid of the bad food and bought some good food, that's that's good. That reminded me so had you was that an old device or something?

The and I was well, I was just downloading old uh top scallops to see I was fucking around with shortcuts to see if I could like. dying at the time the book was happening? Like I I'd r read his uh uh Benjamin Franklin biography and thought like, oh, this is good. Oh my god. This this is an idea that I would have that immediately everyone would be like Alex, I know you'd want why you would want to do that as a documentary thing, but no fucking way. Oh oh she's a little bit mean girls mom. Play place and uh a vibe. Yeah, like there's a difference between the case. Hello, hello, hello. A job like this, you don't do all eat all at once. So um so that precludes iced tea because I put a lot of lime juice in my iced tea.

And then you'll say and no no no it's actually super helpful. Right. Oh. So oh God. Um well you know what it is. Yeah. But I'm angry that I feel scared. I don't I don't I don't know. trying to like emphasize how uh important i it is to try to figure out wha how anxious you are. occasionally on this new website I'm on. But, you know, I do think it's important to realize how angry we get about things. It's not something I've spent a lot of time on, but I think there are people out there who, with their tweet deck or whatever, like monitor certain things and are there. I think uh even though I don't wanna always bring it back to Twitter, but it was just such a big thing for so long that I might be noticing anger more in the real life just because i there's way less of it in my internet life?

like doing impersonations and then and just cruelly teasing each other about how bad the other person's impression is. Steve Coogan does Michael Cain and then Rob Biden goes, right, now do Michael Cain. uh uh quite a chore. Mmm, that I think people who spend enough time with him start to kind of believe that well maybe he must understand it more, right? Like what what is she gonna do differently? I be because of your I I'm going to actually watch that. You hear it on panel shows, you hear it on no such thing as a fish, right? And and like today, it's like 40 because I have made it a thing that when I get up, I go and I wrap my scooter around in the sun for at least 20, 40 minutes, clear my head, get it together.

um project for looking and for reviewing um health data once the next few days. not check it every day. That's a that's a big as you say ask. I I like that. you know Syracuse did an episode two episodes probably of his podcast yeah that were I think um definitely up there amongst the episodes that made a lot of people fall in love with John How how many times did Robert Carrow meet with Robert Moses in person to write The Power Broker? tried that stupid rewind necklace thing, but I know that I should not. Mm-hmm. silly but oddly engaging game where you do things with food. You just not mad. Like, that's an easy one because it's the same emotion twice. You're just resolving to do all this stuff you have no business resolving to do because you have not addressed the fact that you have emotions on top of a problem.

There is. Um Coogan was was on Rob Bryden's uh podcast recently. It feels like that in England in particular, uh, you you're not supposed to be too assertive with people. What if about what about if I actually hate my body a lot? And what I've what I s would suggest is like instead of trying to like even if you've planned, even like you probably haven't planned, but if you have planned, if you've got infrastructure. The VE relief. Yeah. Did it become part of it? I I'm y it is yes, it is weird. created. No, you're not in trouble. And I can't promise this will be easy. And it's been really helpful for me to say, hey, you sh your life's not complicated. So I don't know if that answers the the the query, but that's in answer to your query the questions are written down for me.

Having another feeling. Um the way that anger presents itself in in my life is often focused on myself, which of course then can like go out to other people. You're that's like a steady state for you is like anxiety. Okay, I I see what you meant. Yeah I did not watch the interview with with Linda uh Yaakov Smirnov or whatever her name is, but I did read the article about it and like I'm what what the fuck is she gonna do differently? It was worse, and I had the lowest expectations going in, and she's in an impossible position, but it's a position that she took and continues to pursue. But like, so you take, first of all, a culture where I think it's considered, if you like, rude to be us too assertive with people and combine that with don't get over your skis about your class in particular.

And I can often find someone to help when I pick up trash. I want to feel you know what? This just fucking tome, then Walter Isaacson. Just busting up laughing at that. I don't know. Uh it's it's not if it I don't know, it's like Taylor Swift meets Ever Levine kind of thing. Like it like the difference between meditation and relaxation. Accommodate available blocks of time. You were talking about changing and uh changing something in operation. It's that he deeply understands. Like d uh, there's a pretty funny episode of Veeep. And um, but what what was the point that we were talking about um my god my brain is a pudding today. Not an antidote, but uh uh um an alternative to New Year's resolutions.

And I don't didn't know fuck all about Benjamin Franklin, so I thought, oh, this is good and then I expected, you know, something I hadn't read The Power Broker, but read uh actually Path to Power, the first of the like Thank you. Oh no. How are you, Merlin Man? Clown. Mm-hmm. But also like everybody's coming in and they're trying to like, you know, figure out the lay of the land and and how it works. But um but but somebody says you know Selena's like oh god that guy and they're like Selena you just need to repeat We were talking about asleep, feeling bad, anger, Selena Meyer in two sentences. Angela was like, oh my God, Angela who runs, like had a big breakthrough as a result of this. I thought I saw an omnifocus thing.

There's no way all of that is happening. Tom's just to play with your fingers. Like is that what Katamari Dumasy was? I mean how much do you have saved for retire are you ready to retire right now? Every device in your house is about to make a very, very, very loud noise. Or I'm I'm anxious about uh I'm anxious about feeling alone. We did talk about this a little bit when I have talked about this a little bit. Or correct? Seven fucking times. I've got a lot of travel tips is the point. Oh no. Or that you know everybody yeah. And there's there's this there's a thing about not appearing to be like assertive, but related to that, there's also a thing. Let me rephrase this. I heard everything. Do you remember what happened in Oppenheimer where like there was a time where they thought that maybe this could trigger some kind of a chain reaction that might just like blow up the whole multiverse.

No, no, I'm not even kidding. They're not going to be a good thing. And he did get very emotional. This is fucking terrible. Right. There's just yeah. And I don't know if we talked about that then or or off air, but so much of my anxiety is around just When I have to be in li or like when I have obligations that required me to be like indoors, that actually makes me more mindful to But I sure don't trust it to some like VC back anyway, whatever. Well, yeah, it's probably not a thing, but what what what does that mean? I think that's time. Ask me. He's my favorite SoundCloud rapper. Well there there's and then there's Y and then Oh it's it's not beautiful boy ramp. Boy, the little girl, the little girl who plays Kirsten is amazing.

Was it Julie Andrews on on stage? It is 83 right now in Chicago. Yes, I was so excited to see that. So I know. Well, there's kind of two Merlins of this show, and I think one is the post-rectifs Merlin and one's I can you know I can be any way. Right, right. Oh yeah, those are supposed to be great. My genitals seized up into my body cavity. I don't know what this is, but I'm very Yeah. Yeah, like social. That's the one with the candle, the camel trying to get through the eye through the eye of the needle. Well, I all I meant by that, we could also think of as Fonzi hitting the jukebox or whatever, but like you know, I I think that th there's a lot of um that's a reference for the young people out there.

There's like it that's no, that's we know the acquisition of Next had a role in like becoming part of the operating system. And I didn't want to go to the grocery store because I didn't want to go to the box. Uh uh uh there's Jared Kushner. Just a tip. They're they're one of those couples that I envy their relationships with. What if I hate my body but I somehow keep going? There are things where like the Steve Jobs biography, I've rrr unfortunately or fortunately read a lot of books about, especially SpaceX. I have concerns about your privacy. How you doing? That's what I worry about when you send out something like this. There's that. I try to accommodate. So we but we were talking about um uh we were talking about oh God It still seems to be detecting when I walk by because it asks me if I want to like buy sports scores or something.

Honestly, like I'm not making fun of him. Is that what it did? So you play with your food. Thank you. Um, but I don't know. We should um oh boy, we should do the challenge. I thought this was your challenge. Uh yes, play with your food, ahead the game that was produced by panic. Thank you. And if it if believe me, if you just got a baby to sleep after a really long time and then every device in your house starts screaming. Oh my god. Have you have you ever seen what his children are are named? The new one's pretty good too. Like that is an untitled Goose game. Um Travel tips. The thing is, travel does not have to be stressful. That should go in the wisdom doc document. Um it I this is not a chicken problem thing or me apologizing, but I am not saying that Yeah.

And what I said was I think because having watched a lot of English people talking, being interviewed, being in TV shows, I think there is Or like instead of saying, well, you know, that happened in Ireland too, or whatever, you propose it in a way of saying like Um and one of those for me, and this is really, really germane to everything involving sleep, because so much of the way that we try to tackle our sleep, well, first of all, I'm using a football analogy, which is appropriate. Capitara. We were recording Rec Disc last night. Whereas I've just left my own device. That that's not just wrong. It's the same company. There's no way that this is as powerful as you say without draining a battery crazy bad and doing it all on device to preserve.

Ever. Like it depends. Everyone has their phases, I think. And just the slightly different but very important. Station 11 and a topic that's been in the doc for three years, which is like what's your strategy for surviving an apocalypse? A always B B. I remember one point hearing three, but the point is like over the years and years and years that he wrote this definitive book That's the problem. It's a joke. This is gonna this is this is like the big brother test, right? Like it'll be fine. See, no, I'm trying to ask a question that allows you to do bits, but does at least ask the question in an out of the way. And then but but but when somebody like Joe Laporte goes, hey are you sure you really understand Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy?

Are all Brits w women? I envy that quite a bit. I I forget. That's fine. I want him to go to jail and I'm like Yeah. I well It's up to me to decide how much stupid sticks to me. Oh gosh. Uh Marlone uses Bill Clinton voice for me. Because I have played it, but I just didn't play it since the challenge. I'm sad about uh, you know, oh I I'm mad that I'm manic. That wasn't even a chance. He must have been. Is it pronounced Noor? Thank you. Don't don't print in the paper that he was mad. I like I'm I'm literally I'm not trying to sound like a like a fucking woke hippie. I'm not mad. It was yeah it was for my work. Mm-hmm. Like it they are the worst. It's gonna be 81 degrees today, Alex. Gently inclining yourself, Alex.

And I did that yesterday and went, ooh. Yeah, sorry. Um, but the thing is that's not usually how it works. Goes, listen, I'm gonna give you a break because I know you're on this whole an anti-anger thing. Yes. Let's see what I'm saying. You sent me a podcast. And then I told Madeline a fact that I still find stunning. Merlin, how much do you have saved for retirement? You good? Uh oh, just how quickly men assume that th their knowledge should and will lead to power. I try to like I try to like squeeze in there and just fill whatever space you've left for me. And no matter what he did, he would like underplay everything he did and talk about how it was, ah no, that was shit or whatever. Like, oh John, you're just picking nits.

The ads are fucking terrible. Um we've we've talked about this a little bit, maybe not sleep. And I'm a lot less fucking angry than so many you peop so many people you know. And I said, like, what's interesting about it is if you just focus on the stuff like, oh, oh, John Syracusa, just because he didn't spell OS 10 right. Can't work on that. I'm having a moist fluid streamer pack today. The remark I was going to make is that you helped me. You know gotta catch 'em all. Just say G and then Airy, like Air. Whatever. We talked about it. I'm joking. Pepper there. And like, but like I was just saying, I made a crack about how I'd said to Matt, you might have seen this, but I said to Madeline how um Uh I don't know who you I'm I don't know what your journey is, but the first time you reached out to me was to give me a bunch of shit about trying to improve myself as a person and perhaps by extension.

Wha who do I have to blow to get you to actually watch a John Mullaney special? Thank you. I've only read the first. It's so funny. I'm it's I'm like a cafeteria Buddhist, right? But you know, it's funny 'cause like so I made I made a joke the other day on I I for I don't think I said this. I mean I can speculate on fifty reasons why that is. It depends a lot on the day. Oh at the yes, yes, sorry. Yeah. Like a Samantha Urbie type. And that's before we even get to the really big issue, which is this was the one shot. Yeah. So whenever somebody says something and she agrees with it, you know what she says? But but then feeling you know what I mean? It's only happened a few times, but you know, I guess it can be gleaned by some people that I'm a little on a little bit of a jag for myself, importantly, about realizing how I mean, I have a rough sense of when I went to bed, but like however, here's the thing.

Or you you you can't just say a thing, you've gotta like mince around. Don't know what that means. It's a little samey, but good. It's just always so much emerging evidence of how normal you are. Talking about Batman's? I well now I'm doing my whole Android thing, so that's uh that's That was not a recent like, uh um, but just y you know, because uh You need all of those things, but also really is until you've gotten better at doing fucking anything. That's exactly what I I I don't know if it's a good thing. And so we're looking we're what I had suggested and I blew it, 'cause I I I I I blew it, which is that I I had said, hey, let's do this thing where we play this game because I bought this game.

There's not there's not a goal here. Yeah, she used to work in a library in high school and she would pick up a lot of the lingo. And then somebody else goes, Are you telling me that you're normalizing fascism by saying that Jared Kushner shouldn't go to jail? Uh this has kind of been my thing. Uh I read the entire uh uh oh Isaacson biography, which was Yes. Oh uh really dogged. Fine. Oh yeah. Yeah, I've noticed that happening more. It's stated. Oh. And that may sound like a tall order, but you know what? Very internet, very online. Is it a foster or it's uh but that's the f that's now the tornado's forever home? I don't remember this. It's really funny. And there are people where it really works to repeat the last two sentences they just said.

And um because hey for I said I would use an Android phone if Jude because it was starting thirty-three. Julie Andrews got screwed a couple times by Hollywood. I reject that. I've uh well I j I just said because I've had to be uh indoors more, I have No, it got away from me. Hello, hello, hello. I've lost my puppy, can you get in my van? Alright, never mind. Did you get TSA Clear or whatever it's called? And but people will come in and some some will say like the main fact will be something like, oh Neil Gaiman says that Jews weren't allowed to touch bread. So I've been j just trying to be more mindful of being outside. You're just saying words about rockets that even I I know don't make sense.

Oh god. I'm d doing quite well. Yeah. I can't promise this will be simple. This is gonna frighten a lot of people. Hold up, hold up. It's I just there's that remark that I made about Like he needs to convince himself that oh this part needs to be I like I I I'm the automation freak and that's one thing that you have to Yeah, am I right? The the secret thing I won't tell anybody is whenever I do that every morning, I also try to find somebody I can help. Yeah, he uh they released it two months after he passed. From all of the wisdom you've shared about relaxation and sleep. Get in my van. So so here's what we're talking about. I'm being silly here. And sometimes that for I'm not saying this is good, bad, or indifferent.

I wish. Wow. Or like Roderick has COVID. How did I'm not gonna bury another Batman? I'm not sure how to change it. Like the fact that he has these grave deficits that other people see and he can't. Or as John Circus says what his children are called? That that just takes control away from daddy. Do you have a plan for that? And like what if you said instead said stuff like, well, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna walk for five minutes today. Some somewhere thing? It's a tandem kayak. Should I be? Yeah. Oh, I mean very much to me like a weigh-in. No, thank you. I didn't do it. I have actually never had chicken from there. Uh Kathy couldn't record this week. Both of us I think have had people like this in our lives that we have I'm gonna That's like how I think differently about how I eat when I travel.

I was saying to Madeline, 'cause she was like, Oh my god, this Elon Musk book sounds terrible. It's not surprising. Isn't that isn't that fucked up? Um, but you you you get the game and then you play it and and it's it's a very Have you saved enough? Oh cool. Yeah. I don't w want to either, but I I really hope that at some point there's thirteen. And one highlight, the way most people know about this show at all, I think, is from stuff on YouTube. Did you just turn into a like a COO? Where they'll go like, well they'll they'll basically so no such thing as a fish where people bring in interesting facts. You know it? Gently inclining yourself. I loved that. He's so imbued. That's a terrible name for a restaurant.

I'm very well. Oh maybe maybe you'll catch a nap later. I don't know who that person is. Well, you know, it's a different place and it's a different thing and we're all on a different journey. Uh you can see it on YouTube. I'm very good at utilizing and redeploying scheduling changes to Put that Cumberbon down. That's infrastructure. What was the omnifocus screen grab you sent me? Oh you sent me a thing. But I expected, like, okay, he had so little, like, ru Robert A. I'm on the one where where where I'm in the latest one. I turned them off, actually. I don't like that. But then also the thing, like I just jumped in where she's got her coach now who says they're gonna work together for a year.

Noor N-O-U-R-O. It seems real easy. Who who else That was my first that was the example that I provided was Jared I said I wish Jared Kushner, I don't want him I I said I don't want anybody to die. That was it yeah absolutely terrific you see your time. And uh we we actually talked about Station Eleven. Chinese. That's a big fucking difference. I'm excited for the show. That's true. Well it's I was sitting Do you do this for a living? Well, first you're sad, and you're like, oh man, I'm sad a lot. And I forget what it had a clever name, but the all the bot did was watch Twitter for instance instances of someone using um Um, but have you done any more with that? Hey look, why don't you just take it to the office?

I will we'll talk. Yeah, but this happens once a month with our tornado. But you know, that's that's an instance of like he sh he's hired a bunch of people who aren't gonna tell him no. Like what it's something like, you know, come come and meet me in the in the Dude Wipes um you know Chautauqua zone or whatever. And watching Station 11, I'm just like, oh my god, fucking men. Just gotta see if there's any new patterns emerging you weren't aware of? It's gonna be 81 degrees here. Uh thing is blink about. You know, we talked about this before where the week gets away from you, and then I'm like, oh shit, I guess I better go to dobyfriday. That was mean. Yeah. And it's it's one you know, it's one thing to like have a cold Time's hard.

So yeah. Did you read that piece who was going around about like him not like f That's a good record. Um no, the the the thing with the sleep thing is, uh and this is the thought technology that is important to me. I am at 1118 Pacific time. I buried 14 Batnets. Um, which is like I want to see if I did better or worse. Um when I wanted to convince someone who uh both me and my colleagues realized that the person we were working for I'm going to watch th The Boys um. You review your health every couple weeks, your health data. Oh right. Um I played with it before the challenge, so technically I retro buttered. It's just I I want to just get cereal in the bowl and then make the milk go in. And my and so anyway I'm looking at my phone right now on on the stand and I can see the the world on a map and it says eleven eleven twelve.

Why is that? Oh I mean I would say that yeah he does look a little bit like porcelain y, but somebody somebody responds and goes like wah Uh but the default state of my interaction with strangers ha has been people just approaching me And she's like, are you you've got to be kidding me. Like you have to be self-deprecating. Right. Oh. Yeah. I I was like this is yeah I'm like this is a little bit uh uh girls in red and and Taylor Swift, but I Um I there's I think there's a big difference between uh game uh not big, but there is 'cause you just like kind of poke around the buttons and see what it does. I would that I just want to believe that Gary's real. And like yes, not all men and yes, subwomen.

Yes, please. Like I know that I'm not going to. That's not I haven't done that in a while, but I absolutely have indeed. Did they design design and stuff on that? No one's talked about it. Oh God, you've just mushed together so many upsetting characters into this Eldritch horror of the world. But when it came one eighteen. Cathy Bar Say that in human words. He also understands all of it more. I'll jiggle my plug and I'll eat my feet and then I'll go and It'd be lovely. You know? That wasn't a person. And he goes Master Bruce, Master Bruce. He seems like I I feel like I've met people like him. City I think he regards himself as a rascal, as a little scamp. Who's that woman I like? Oh my god, yes.

So that's let's talk about something else then. Then then you tell me like well hasn't it always been like that for a long time? Write it down. You're just gonna send a tone to a bunch of things. And that's the and so the the end why am I talking about that here? I don't like this at all. I'm talking about Capybara's. Innit? Like all those different kinds of things, have you gotten rid of all the cigarettes before you quit smoking? He's saying it's a bit. And but it's not. Like like the stupid little uh like I I do, I genuinely wanna We should talk about we should talk about talk about the challenge. You gotta parcel it out. If you have all your stuff ready and you tuck your laces into your shoes.

I'm realizing. It's pretty funny. Yes. So now I'm doing this dumb Android experiment and uh sh link in show notes. I'm I'm trying to empathize with you, but this is one of those things where I literally I l I I I forget that you can wear layers What if I didn't think about this all the time? It's like the difference between playing and game. G Airy. Uh and uh and um I'm not gonna apologize anymore unless I mean it. But once you start noticing the way you feel about how you feel, you now have some, if you like, in Alex's terms, agency. We talked about talk talked about this a little before. And um and yeah, sometimes I'm gonna use an alt tag in the way you didn't expect me to, because that's what I'm there for.

And like you've had people in your life like this. We should do the challenge. Yeah. Um I I'm out of lime juice at the office. That's none of your fucking business. Good. Sometimes you get a different emotion about the primary emotion. That that you don't have to take your belt off for that. It's not in the it's not in the one. Actually it's pro. That's all that's all that's all fine. Um I might have mentioned this already, but I was rewatching the last ep the you know we I talked about this, the last the last season. Like, and I was like, yeah, yeah, look at this. This is a different topic. No, no, no. Mm-hmm. Whereas this is yeah, whereas they were just gonna be a little bit more than a little bit of a game.

All your telescreens are gonna be popping off going that emergency. I mean, I'm sorry, this is none of my business, but like anxiety about disappointing people. Do you uh think that Yeah no I I have not rotator cuff. No, no, no. I I forget I already forgot what I said. And like, you know, it's one thing to have that, but then it's another thing to be like, I'm so fucking mad that I'm sick. Um the the I could be wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I cobble together all these different title. Then for a while wasn't it I'm not gonna bury another MacBook. That's uh, you know, uh Michael Cain with it with the cigars and the brandy. Are sure I'm not allowed to do anything until I love my body? And I might get this wrong, but I think this is right because John says it on that episode.

Un unfair? I don't mind that. I'm talking about like be the journey that those different people are on leads them to just Weirdly, that is one of uh the or New York City. Oh, you need to be body positive. Cinderella story. This is Do by Friday, a weekly challenge podcast with Alex Cox and Merlin Mann. I do want to know about your sleep or the new things that you have uh felt about sleep, unless it's boring. Because he wasn't mad. I talked about it. I mean, no disrespect, but like, I don't know who you are. I did, yeah. Did oh did you know that? That thing about Ukraine, like who did you who did you ask about that besides him? My privacy is a tall order. Is that a that's a thing you do? It's difficult to find out about.

Like it's one thing to feel like a little lonesome. And which will eventually I can't spoiler alert, as they say. And we got into the the whole joke about like, you know, that, hey, um In what sense? So someone say, Hey, my new Patreon's coming out. Um and like I don't do that now. Have you ever seen the names of his children? Um, but the God, it also made me realize Talk about age. Just because I want the data. I would say it's either Noor or Nower, like Sour. Yes, Mr. And this guy was so fucking angry And boy, you know, peop angry people do not like being told. Like I just want the data to be captured. Was it aware that he wrote me an email? What's the challenge Alex? She goes, thank you. How would you describe it?

I had an issue in that I d do not have a PS4 or PS Yeah, but don't you get ner are you're nervous about doing the show most of the time, right? I'm not gonna explain things to you. Yeah. I I thank you, and yes. Instead of just and feeling like you have to commit to buying some kind of kit for like, you know, getting your life together. Yeah. I just popped in and I was like, oh yeah, I'm really glad I I I know, but they come there and they're like, mmm, shame on you. You can find out what things mean. He could be anxious about something all the time, you know. Um their relationship is really cute. I mean it's professional and they do bits, but like, you know, but anyway. I'm saying that uh we in I we're no no no.

John Circuit's a very good thinker, that's for sure. And I know and we'll get to we'll get to your drink of the day. Mm-hmm. No, I was anxious about not knowing when I would get a shot. Not not just on the show, but uh someone uh I mean this he did this a little bit too that uh and I I didn't I was talking about further I uh things about pronunciation. Who's that black lady I like? Yes, it will be your phones and your iPads and I I heard TVs might even make a sound. Yeah, Cyrousa Well, I mean no, but I like how this o overlaps with the uh uh oh I can g get it in. I'm very hot. Like neither one of us wants this here. Um I hope people realize it's a bit. We need to talk. Yeah. Or but in any case if you sleep four hours So so so your the episodes are too short and they don't come out often enough?

It's that's what he says in this that I think he gets a little emotional about is like, no, it doesn't. I would love for that to be in drafts So you went to the problematic chicken place because you want to die at Dr. Cut all that out. Oh boy. That's where you you give it. Like I uh that's why I expect it might be w couldn't it couldn't it be the Malcolm Gladwell problem, where the problem is he's not a bad writer. That says so much more about the recipient than it does the bot. I when I was hanging up hanging out and working with Danny O'Brien, I would get this. And this is a podcast series I did in probably 2005 or something called Fresh Starts and Modest Changes. The thing is, those are very specific tips.

And it was just it was no no no no. Because everybody else who loves this book took away something really different. I get hungrier when I travel. She she's you know, she's she's really settled into this certain like Um okay what's your fucking drink? Are you talking about my okay guys? I uh fully once, thank you very much. Why am I doing this? Um wait, wait, before we lose the thread though. And Dan, Dan just like And uh I thought everybody knew about the Flintstones. Clown. I'm a little bit. I know, I know, but like like making my typing better on device is one thing. She got a driver's license. I'm just so sad that I'm manic. Right? That was definitely a thing, I think. Well, you know, there's a time when that low opinion opinion could have been operate operationalized in a way that would help a lot of people.

I'm in my underpants right now. Daddy and page. Okay, in the context free, you just sent me things. Yeah. I've never thought of it like that. And uh so I'm having a seltzer and I I slept pretty well last night. Yep. Yes. When I say that's your journey, yeah, I'm saying that partly as a joke because it's a funny term people use for shit like I don't So what I'm talking about here is Steve Coogan and Rob Bryden doing impressions. I I just watch b Baby J over and over again. There's a I I haven't listened to the whole thing yet, but I I was listening to uh an a new episode of um uh not on the media, but First of all, babies are sleeping, people. Um but uh wait, what was I talking about? Was it as bad?

Right. If I don't do this, it's I sent you this, right? Sorry. No, I didn't. Let's talk about the challenge. Is that kind of your mic check? So another one of those might be, um I'm scared. I know Ooh, I mean I didn't know. How's my HRV? And um that was our kind of our main topic. I don't want I don't want the information. Go get pills, lady. Not uh no, or like with a firewatch. It's called tantric. Like that's a Like, did you think I was a ch cool, chill dude, as he said on SNL, as well as I'm I'm putting I'm well he I'm sorry, what what show is this? Um sorry, is that what it's called rewind? Yeah. This week's play with your food play with your food. Mom, stop doing mean girls. So like at like Thanksgiving she'd talk a lot about Paris Hilton and stuff like that.

I didn't realize it. No, talking about um being uh angry about being uh lonely or angry about being sad. I mean, I think honestly. But and then there's certainly I imagine, I would have to imagine there are people who've been there for a while and it's just their job to just No for for roboism but the Oh I'm sorry for roboism Wait in your fourth episode of that now? So my pick I am Manahata. Slowly up the ramp. You sent me there's a thing. It's still not dumb done. I oh Yeah Nothing. All I know is that I have heart problems and you are emotionally unstable. It's kinda hateful the way they talk about that though. Gotta get your balls out. You're not, you don't have to go out and like Also will you please remind me in the after show to talk to you about my my copy borough But there's there's one that's not the one.

Like I Is that a Samantha Erby? You also had um follow-up omnifocus. Yeah. Check it out though. Someday I'm gonna sit you down and I'm gonna find out all the things you know deeply because sometimes I'll tell you something that's very new to me. I don't know if you've heard, but you're supposed to save for retirement. I thought it was at 2. I'm just This is some this is some old school Merlin. They're not powerful, but they are very inexpensive. And I'd ask you, do you think this is something that you want to notice or try something with oh I got a nice note from me. But um like aggregating all of that data. Oh, I got the VE relief also. Yeah. I'm just saying it's fucking real, is that sometimes now that anger And they're both doing it back and forth.

However, I feel when I wake up. So it's not just that he knows Hitchhiker's Guide. Oh, that's a good show. Make me sound smart. Well, yeah, well that sounds like a that sounds like a family-friendly version of bulimia. No, it it sounded so like they have the um I love you, Nancy. What? I mean, the simplest one of those that I think most of us can put our hand to is feeling sad about feeling sad. But you gotta have it ready. Was it as awkward as they say? Wiggle my plu I'm Unfairly? I thought that we were past th this. Isn't that kind of an odd thing? Just take off your belt Because I think it's fucking huge. Because Well, do you have a feeling about it? The the people who have no idea that everyone is doing their emotional labor except Oh wait, um wait, wait, let me get this right.

Yeah, I try in it to And I'm like, oh, this is I would describe it as s not a a game, but a I'm so nervous looking at also I made an I I printed in a 3D MagSafe iPhone stand. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna there's not an Amazon affiliate link. Yeah, yeah. But he's he's a he's a he's a he's a guy who's not gonna be around forever. Were you aware of that? This is a game, how do you describe this game? I feel like. Yeah, because uh be Or I should say in England in my pants. Uh well wait, what did you say it was gonna be there? But I said there are a small handful of people whom I would like to be on uh uh just constantly unhappy for the rest of my life. Like you just expect people to be like, uh you dummy.

Boy, I sure can tell a difference in f feeling better than where I was. I forget the guy's name, but he plays the like he's kind of like Richard Branson, he's kind of like Chris Anderson. Do you remember? Yeah. Or like or like me with my Amazon show at this point where like The That was impressive. One of them's called like D like Titus Andronicus Robotron or something. Maybe 'cause I'm bored or unfamiliar. It'll be in the show notes. No, no, it wasn't. I cobble together all these different ideas that I misunderstand them at scale, but I I uh And and like I don't think Steve actually hates him. Arthur? What's a pro? Has it something you've you've thought about or noticed or the And and like, you know, I just It's very, very good.

And I go, Oh, never mind, I have nothing to say. Oh god, I'm so anxious that I'm manic. And like I really do try to keep that in mind. You need to torture Laurie for the constable. 20 Eastern time. Like I the the way that anger evidences that's terrible. Which like dew point and wet bulb, I don't really understand what it means, but No. Oh, and what's the other one? Unfairly? Hi peanut buttered By the way, 11 minutes. Better call it a called like rural Ted. Which I think is cool. That becomes the habitual feeling. They're going crazy. Sorry about that. Maybe maybe I should feel bad about this sleep that I'm getting If you listen. I don't think so. It's uh Diet Diet Coke from McDonald's. But really?

Whatever your plan is, have a plan. Seven. That one is a little bit good. Check out this sneak peek. I was like, dude, you did all this amazing stuff and you didn't need to know newsletters like oh shit. You know, my curly your girl. And he strikes me as the sort of person where everything was his idea. Uh-huh. It's like when it's like when you tell racists they're racist, boy, they hate it. Have it ready. Triple it. So so sunlight, sunlight. Mm-hmm. So But it was just it was fucking comical because nobody likes being I'm totally with men of the worst. I said, Well, I can tell you when the Steve Jobs book came out Maybe you can tell me. Like I'm not sure what I'm saying. Uh she got her uh I love I like Oh you you're not on TikTok.

Yeah, yeah, we need to. And I think it's really the beginning of a a practice of mindfulness in the most Alfred? If I wake up, today I woke up around 6:30. Yeah, I started rereading Station Eleven last night and just It's like three minutes a day. Let me get this right. I want the data. But I Yes. Do you understand I'm quoting myself? This just these two guys who are both very gifted impressionists. There's one that begins, you'll see on screen it says like random impression. Yeah. It is. Pepper? They're upsetting the restaurant. That's a lot that's a lot funnier. He just as as they say doubles down. Always be always be clothing? Same thing with Firewatch, right? Um, but I intentionally put uh I have an omnifocus What's the hypocritical?

Oh my god, I tried to dip back into the dream today. I think that's the challenge Well deputy Like contacting people and browbeating them about what they need to be doing differently? That's the idea, right? Oh see I thought you were talking about I thought you were talking about the spy on your computer service That's the problem. We got 11 minutes, so be ready. That's what I always say. Right, 'cause it makes you kinda tired and you're not n now he's not so pretty anymore, you know. Like here's a funny one. Yeah just I'm seven. Oh, these are podcasts. Did it? Nower. It's uh it appeal it looked appealing to me and I saw that it was available on um Um I say something like do you do this for I mean a lot of those people are just collectors.

So That's how anxiety works. I don't know what I'm Yeah. com and remember what the challenge was. You go to whatever it's called and it's a game we almost play. You want to go get some peps? Ask me how much I have saved for retirement. Um Um but you know, there's these wonderful outtakes and scenes. No, it's not that at all. I'm actually if I hadn't told you this I think the amount of uh Yeah. Yeah, and and the last two sentences kind of approach is Carroll had so little access uh to to him, and yet You need pills. I'm gonna s Huh? I don't think I said that, but The September that never ends. Yeah. Um Oh believe me, I um dude dude, I I I th I'm running into the funniest stuff. Listen, I I don't have any travel tips.

Yeah, I did that a while ago. Like, no, that's not Why don't you have one of your carcinogenic energy bombs? The problem is not this uh you get you get wound up in all these implementation details or Were you listening to the wrong guy? I love how emotional he gets in that one. There's a s there's a man who I was he was he I I I too thought I I uh thought I would The the the fear of your loss of agency. And and this and I think the the the image, the user image is like a mountain or something. But uh love to the table. Funny voices. Well, sure. ID. Yeah, yeah. Uh do you notice any patterns? You sent me a podcast thing. Yes, firewatch. And sorry, I'll do uh lots of other good stuff, but Sorry, that's that's my sister-in-law's friend Nancy.

And I always to the extent possible, always try to assume good intentions. I think that's the We are are like-minded weather spirits. None of us are gonna be around forever. You probably don't uh Totally normal. Maybe maybe there are, but I don't think Like God almighty. Uh no, it's from the problematic homophobic Come on, you're better than this. I'm still sick. And uh we actually talked about the Sunreck Dis last night. And the the like you know, but he's in like and it's so funny, like the Like the Olivia Rodrigo album. I'm talking amber alert. There's not gonna be uh, you know. And I I do have a follow-up item actually. Oh, that's funny. There's that one where they go to like the un Do you remember there was a bot?

I'm using it wrong. Master Bruce, I'm not gonna bury another Batman. Fresh starts and honest changes. Oh, I have so much to talk to you about. That's how it gets you. Like look at you. I'm not talking about Anthony Fauci telling me to wear a mask. Kind of like my thing about instead of trying to control your heart, why don't you instead try to focus on your breath? Here's your Diet Dr. It's always been great. Um I'm not gonna apologize for being myself But yeah, there are those kinds of things where like I mean The worst one's Gary. That didn't sound anything like Audrey Hepburn. She's like, shut up. But you know, I I I I've Tantric. Mm-hmm. Hello You may be in trouble. So that means in eight minutes everything's gonna go That's the one I watch the least.

It wasn't made by Panic. Firewatch they Not None of it's critical. But it's like this is this is the one chance. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Oh, I think it's gonna be it's eighty one today, eighty three tomorrow. I don't want anybody to have to go to prison But uh it's I'm just glad we made it through the emergency, honestly. Oh Just put uh like a youthie They call him Tet Don't make me love my body. I'm no, have you ever gotten Amber Alert? There's a really cool bot. Like it needs to be a Mac game to run on your Mac. Pepper. I that's kind of one of my things is I like using You should read the wisdom document. No, no, no. I mean, you get so mad at yourself. Well I just noticed you sent me a screen grab. I I s my sleep is good.

And it's just it's Scenes and outtakes from their Well I can I think Panic mainly does the business part. Um Because we're like, that's funny. Um the It's I There's a lot about anxiety and You wear socks? Oh god, I love her. A feeling about a feeling, yeah. I I just raw transcript